"You dont agree with me so Im just going to yell racist so I dont have to refute anything"

ok so what you're saying is

because other things are racist

this isn't racist?

are you completely blind to the fact that many people get completely screwed over when they apply to college because someone who is objectively less talented/hardworking can be accepted due to their ethnicity?

it's in good intention but it's basically saying "get fucked" to certain ethnicities and also "you're retarded and need the government to take care of you" to others.

I can't believe I'm actually going to post in a Donald Trump thread much less one about politics...but...

The problems that the African-American community face are VERY different from that of the Asian-American community, so I personally would say the questions you're asking are actually red herrings (and also make the incorrect implication of "having a home" being a nonissue). I would say your parents were on the luckier side of living in America; I don't have the exact numbers, but there is a non-insignificant population of Asians (don't forget about Southeast Asians as well) that definitely don't have the same success your parents have had. I agree a lot that affirmative action in reality has been more problematic than helpful.

There's a problem with how you're describing said salary statistic. I would actually say that statement is generally false, or at the very least, fallaciously false. This short article explains it well. I'm saying this as someone who has been doing just fine (albeit, by technicality, I am born and raised an American citizen) as a minority ethnicity. And, just as a matter of opinion, I believe that helping those in poverty is more worth it than is not. I don't want to discuss it further, but I'll liken it to "innocent until proven guilty".

This is also a fallacy, to a decent extent. Asians and Asian-Americans (the difference matters) may, on average, be doing economically well in America (but even so, there is both quantitative and anecdotal evidence that they are NOT on par with Caucasians), but socially, and culturally, this is incredibly untrue. I won't go too deeply into it here, but let's just say, racism towards Asian ethnicities is well and alive here in America. Plenty of studies show it, and I've been hit by it more times than I can give a fuck about.

Good day!

and mexican officials have said several times that they wont, they think trump is a complete moron

Well said. It happens with jobs also. I shit you not, my uncle was denied a job for a company because they needed more gay people to fill their quota. If he checked the little box on his application the job would have been his. But he felt that was an unethical thing to do.

Do you understand how international trade defects work? The latest available data from 2013 says that there was a $54 billion dollar defect in 2013 between the US and Mexico. Mexico winning out. That is just in a single year. The wall would more than likely take several years to build.

Basically the US is consuming more goods and services from Mexico than Mexico is consuming from the US. Which means Mexico is taking wealth from the US, and because they are taking wealth away from the US in the tune of ~50 billion a year, the federal government earns less tax revenue. If the trade defect was equalized, that alone would easily fund the wall. It's easier said than done, but there are things that can help such as tariffs, stabilizing currency exchange rates to minimize currency manipulation, increasing US-based manufacturing etc.

As a homosexual person, that personally disgusts me, i would want to be judged on my capabilities, not my identity. why is it reasonable i'd get the job, while your uncle might have been way more qualified?

“If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today.”

Somebody that's more assimilated is obviously going to have an easier time

The 2014 census seems to indicate otherwise (economically) https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p60-252.pdf

I wasn't talking socially because out groups have and will always face that

This is some tabloid shit right here, I feel like you're implying that mexico 'taking wealth' from the US is somehow like an unfair travesty, and that's just not true, like its pretty normal for that to happen when you have a more developed country trading with a less developed country, because one tends to be richer in capital, and the other needs money to fund development. That's just the reality when you're one of the most consuming countries in the world, and it's the reality for a lot of the first world. Why would anyone manufacture in there when it's so much cheaper to do so elsewhere?

I'm pretty sure you see similar patterns over all the world, maybe an exception in china where you can still get extremely cheap labour which makes manufacturing there still a good business venture. That's why china has such import/export figures.

I would assume it's not a very viable solution to attempt to equalize that, purely on the basis that this is just how human geography works, unless you want suicide prevention nets on your factories.

I'm not implying that Mexico is taking wealth away from the US, I'm directly saying it. Do I personally feel like there is something wrong with another country making more profit? Not really, but generally that is why countries tax imports. When you import something into the country, you are not funding local labor and manufacturing, which the government in turn taxes and profits from. Which is why almost every country in the world imposes tariffs on most goods. Increasing tariffs could go into funding the building of the wall, which would also increase US jobs and manufacturing.

If a 1x1 foot ceramic tile costs 25 cents to make in Mexico, and 35 cents to make in the US, then increasing import taxes on that type of commodity would increase local production and consumption, and decrease imports shrinking the trade defect, and increasing income from corporate and personal taxes in the US, which would be one way to fund the wall.

who needs nuance anyways?

Just a few more general pointery type things.

1. Most illegal immigrants *do* pay taxes - at least some taxes - and unless they're using a fake identity, have almost no access to the social safety net because of their lack of an official identity. If they *do* have a fake identity then they can access the social safety net as normal because they're for all intents and purposes an official citizen. Typically what is done is they secure the social security number of a dead person - and so they're able to function normally *until* they attempt to collect that social security - the SS people will notice that they've been dead for 50 years or something and refuse to pay them (despite the fact that they've actually been paying into SS for however long they've been using the identity).

2. The understanding of what a trade deficit described above is complete misunderstanding of how economics works. Yes, the US is sending more *money* to places like China, Mexico, and Vietnam but in exchange we receive *things* if we didn't send that money to those places we wouldn't be receiving the *things* and the cost of everything in the US would go up substantially - decreasing the quality of life substantially. It isn't a remittance payment to Mexico they can just spend on whatever they want - it mostly covers the cost of the *things*.

Also they *are* taxed - in the form of sales and excise taxes unless you go directly to Mexico to buy the stuff.

If you impose tariffs you benefit nobody except the owners of competing businesses in the US - who exist in an imaginary economic bubble until the tariff goes away, and in turn make goods more expensive in the US. There's also the question of scope, if you protect one particular industry, why not protect *all* of the industries?

See, in the economics of trade there's this concept called "comparative advantage" American workers certainly *could* make floor tiles, but are they not better suited for something else? That's *why* you trade (with the exception of raw materials markets). For example if you're a college educated person dealing in networking, is it really worth your time to make floor tiles or would it be better for you to maintain network infrastructure? So you do your networking thing and buy your floor tiles from Mexico.

well,there are already a lot of tariffs and restrictions for importing foreign products in place, very protectionist policies for US products, while they are steadily buzy eroding any chance for foreign governments to take the same approach (like in the TTP) You start of from a load of assumptions, marxist, and it's weird to see a commie go neo-liberal globalist, but whatever. as you you know the economy exists out of four segments, and modern nations have been steadily building off their industrial base, in favour of a services economy, but with the world becoming a global village and automatisation, you know see for example, food being processed on three different continents before reaching the consumer, because it's the cheapest, wasting a lot of energy and having an enviromental impact, in the future it will be harder to stay in the comfy positions our service economy is in; your helpdesk is outsourced, and your biggest internet companies, like google are officially registered in a tax haven, like the Netherlands, meanwhile, the comfy college kid says to the man who worked in the steel mill: why don't you just change to something more competitive, neglecting the location, traditional industry, culture, and the fact not everyone is cut out for a college education or wants it either. What do you say to the farmers, who basically live off subsidies in this crooked system, becuase they cannot compete with the globalised market as it is structured today? It really is time for a neo-mercantilism in an interconnected world, where the citizens consciously, choose to buy homemade products, instead of the cheapest, where you buy your food locally, and support your local farmers, and so on and so on. Nowadays, there are so much resources, energy, and labour gone to waste, becuase it's the "cheapest, corporations operate with an illegal "self-employed imported work force and they are designed with planned obseletion, so nothing durable is made. all becuase people have to consume more, to support the bubble, the economy is "growing", how can a true marxist defend the globalist capitalist, who turn countries against each other in their bid to spread their legs for their corps? (see the internal EU problem of countries taking each other to court for trying to be the biggest tax haven). It's a big weight on nature, and it destroys labour unions; Love your country, buy it's products, support your entrepeneurs, and buy things that are build to last. You'll be off more efficient in the long run.. and a good thing we can still trade with each other the surplusses of the production.

I mean recently a report came out that 40% of all food that goes to a supermarket eventually ends up in the trashcan. It's a disgrace that something like this isn't criminal, and in fact, the people who would "steal" those out of the garbage bin get taken to court (as has happened in belgium) I have a lot of friends in the building business, and based of their experiences, it's impossible to compete as a small firm vs these bigger companies, who import people on masse and then exploit a legal loophole to pay them 3 euro wages, putting your own business out of work, have you ever taken that into the costs vs benefits?

It takes some next level fiscal conservatism to spend billions of dollars to build and maintain a wall to keep out people that can't collect any sort of social security and welfare while still paying taxes while simultaneously saying a tariff against the majority of cheap goods is somehow good for the consumer.

trumps agenda is stupid but it's not as extreme in one direction as bernie

trump wants to be extremely aggressive on immigration but his other plans aren't too far out for a Republican to have

meanwhile bernie's plan isn't radical even though he said himself himself his agenda is watered-down socialism?

i think bernies plans are better than trumps but bernie's is more edgy

I still don't get why any Sanders supporter would choose Trump over Hillary...

dollarlayer if I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that we should force mexico to build a massive wall to fix the trade deficit. This seems very inefficient. I believe it would be much better to force china build us a death star that we can use on the U.S. Mexico border. That would be much more effective at keeping out illegal immigrants and would also fix our trade deficit with China.

Mostly out of spite.

A lot of people that support Bernie flat out hate Hillary because his supporters are younger, more common around the internet, and on the internet on places like Reddit and Imgur there's a SHIT ton of anti-Hillary posts about her track record/scandals/whatever. They see Trump as a big dipshit but Hillary to them might as well be a shapeshifting lizard person trying its best to emulate actual human emotion.

For them it's Bernie or nothing.

im dying

Whats stopping them is once they fail to become a rapper or sports star they have nothing else to turn to. Dey pops is gone and dey mammys a crack fiend. The struggle is real fo deez po ass afro Americans

I am seeing him in Warren, Michigan tomorrow morning. I am not voting for Trump but I wish to see how he is in person as well as his fanatics. First political rally hype

this is, by definition, not racism. racism is a combination of prejudice and power¹. african americans (along with many other ethnicities) do not wield as much power in this country and globally as caucasians. what you are failing to consider with your very basic analysis of race relations in this country is that african americans are still systematically oppressed in major and minor ways, whether through incarceration rates², racial profiling³, discrimination at school and in the workplace⁴, or any number of untold minor biases faced every single day. what affirmative action attempts to do is offset the burden of being born african american by allowing more opportunities to minorities, which in turn empowers them as a collective to no longer need assistance in the future. to claim in ignorance that many of the people who are assisted by affirmative action are "objectively less talented/hardworking" is not only very likely wrong, but also completely misses the point of the programs.

¹http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1998-07453-002

²https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu-thewaronmarijuana-rel2.pdf
³http://www.reformer.com/reformereditorials/ci_19992621?source=rss
⁴http://www.workplacefairness.org/sc/discrimination.php

I always thought this was a running joke and not an actual point. Who exactly gets to dictate who has the "power"? IWhy hasn't Obama federally legalised marijauna so the incarcination rate would drop, and at what eventual point is affermitive action be done with then? and when people on average are not approved for higher learning becuase quota's, and not on meit wouldn't this create more tensions, and isn't it very paternalistic to think that blacks even need this? The ones that have the will and the capapbilities will succeed, like frederick Douglas.

Lets look at how Obama is taking away our 2nd amendment too....

Any change is better then having a fucking alien ape in presidency.

i mean i guess this is highly dependent on where you are in the us but i don't think i've ever felt this racism toward asian ethnicities to any point where it has had any effect on me, maybe in more conservative states this is true, and maybe i just lived in more liberal places but i don't think i've ever had issues either socially or culturally. maybe your statement is directed moreso at first gen immigrants but if you're born in america / canada. personally i've never felt that i've ever been discriminated against socially but maybe we have had different experiences and i'll encounter that as i get older or something.

if you get straight Bs and a 2000 and your sat and you're mexican and get into a good college with scholarships but some asian dude needs straight As and a 2300 then it's discrimination i can't tell if you're blind

burden of being african american? literally immigrants come here with nothing from india or china or whatever and become financially successful within the same generation. i literally can't see how racial profiling makes you have worse grades unless you're trying to say that we should take pity on black people or mexicans because they're stupid from birth, which also really doesn't make sense. the best way to not end up in jail is to work hard in school and get good grades and not commit crimes dude. if racial profiling has that much of an effect maybe i've just never felt it because i'm also a minority and i've literally never experience profiling that has affected me in a negative way.

if you had bothered to read any of the links i had sent, you would realize very clearly who holds the power in this country. it isn't up to someone to "decide" its up to observers to realize when the actual facts have a clearly indicated pattern.

One, this is merely treating a symptom of the actual problem, which is that black people are treated as second class citizens in a significant number of ways. Two, the president isnt some all powerful mega emperor who can just dictate whatever he wants. the republican backlash (which is a party that is still rooted in frequently ridiculous traditions and often unwilling to budge on very basic human rights issues, much less declassifying a currently schedule 1 drug and fully legalizing it nationwide) would be enormous and a bill of that nature would never work its way through congress.

would you really like to put a deadline on something as incredibly complex as race relations? it's not something that we just solve, one day we are all racist and the next we are all loving and compassionate towards our fellow man, its a continuum that we as a species should be constantly working to better.

this sentence is almost completely unintelligible, but i think your point is supposed to be "when blacks are approved over whites for the same position, it creates tension between races, and coddles blacks." this isn't necessarily a bad point on its own but you're missing the forest for the trees. that is to say, you'e focusing on single instances of anger and distrust because of affirmative action, rather than focusing on the overall massive amount of good that it does for equality on average, for all races and genders, see http://www.civilrights.org/equal-opportunity/fact-sheets/fact_sheet_packet.pdf

again, this is hyperspecific anecdotal evidence (and incredibly outdated anecdotal evidence at that.) if you looked at hard statistics (like those that i have linked) you would clearly see the effectiveness of affirmative action

There are plenty of ways that illegal immigrants take advantage of social programs, using false or duplicate social security cards and numbers, false or duplicate identities/birth certificates etc. Yes there are illegals collecting social security, welfare, food stamps etc.

You say they still pay taxes.... That is only partially true. They obviously have to pay sales taxes (in most states), but beyond that they do not generally pay Federal or State income tax because they are often times working under the table, being paid cash by their employer.

Lets do some real basic math here. Lets say that half of the 11 million people are employed. So that is 5.5 million people. Lets say they earn an average of 20K a year. Lets say their tax rate is 15% (which includes state tax, and cost of living deduction ~5K). 15% would be 3K owed to the IRS. So that is about 16.5 billion dollars in a single year in unpaid state and federal taxes by illegal immigrants.

There was just a possible ASSASSINATION attempt on Donald J Trump. This is the true face of these anti trump protesters. Considering how Bernie Sanders fans recently crashed Trumps rally I would not be surprised if he is a Bernie Sanders fan, preaching peace and equality yet not hesitating for a moment to use extreme violence when someone opposes him. Trump knows that someone just like this man here could attempt to kill him at any moment yet he continues on like a brave soldier.

Here is the video of the despicable attempt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06d4t1704N8

Edit: Here is a picture of the man, you can see the extreme hatred in his face. http://i.imgur.com/wSAabbd.jpg

Confirmed Bernie Sanders supporter by looking through his twitter. https://twitter.com/Younglionking7

i went to a political rally

why didn't he just shoot him?

no one checks

retard