imo, nerf current pyro down completely. i don't know why it's so hard for people to see the practical usage of pyro in this game (literally, a class for people completely new to FPS games/TF2 to still be able to do decently well). it isn't meant to be viable.

the only way pyro will ever be something that isn't awful is to make the new unlocks 1.) more skill based, 2.) actually good depending on how skilled you are with them. the jetpack is so unintuitive in that you have to actually select as a weapon to use it, and you have virtually no air strafing ability. why not make it press spacebar twice and have full air control? the dragon's fury should do less damage, but it should have more range. the problem is that no one uses it because default is so much better, but none of the current flamethrowers can ever be made to be skill based.

No one uses it also because it's banned everywhere for no reason

no pls, the last thing I want to worry about is having an op pyro air strafing above me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/333749109385199627/420575497211084800/unknown.png

is it me or does this make literally no sense because the jetpack has such high swap times seemingly EXPLICITLY so you can't use it to engage/disengage

where is that screenshot from?

they should probably increase the range of the flamethrower and decrease the damage so its like a plasma/lg hybrid
i think the detonator is fine since it gives the pyro a little mobility (not sure why people choose the scorch shot over it)

that being said, pyro still kinda sucks as is and i'd be willing to wager full time sniper is more viable than pyro in top level gameplay

From vnn's latest vid at 2:38. Not gonna link it cause fuck him

Didn't he even say it was paraphrased from b4nny's stream ? so paraphrase of a paraphrase

except that you need to be really good at sniper for it to be kind of viable full time

wheres the obligatory “pyro class is the devil” post by cole?

i posted about this before but another big issue is that pyro actually fucks lower level teams/uncoordinated settings, and sure you can ban the class from pugs but it's gonna be pretty detrimental overall to people getting into comp tf2 if they can't deal with aids pyro because their hitscan players don't meet the minimum aim threshold required. doesn't really impact top level much like botmode stated but for a scene as small as ours things should be balanced in a manner that is at least not completely unfun and unrewarding to play against even at lower levels of comp play imo

I don't think this is an overall solution, but maybe taking the pyros health from 175 down to 150 or even 135 would make a slight difference? And reducing the range of the flame thrower by a significant amount would mean that the pyro has to get closer to people so they can't WM1 at people as easily either.

PSA full time heavy counters full time pyro

can't wait for the nerf heavy threads in two years' time when we get the heavy update

wtf why did he show it as a quote then that's so dumb

https://i.imgur.com/G1F1ECN.jpg

Hey @vJill just wanted to know if you guys over on the team ever plan on adding in an LG into tf2? Even as a unlockable weapon.

This is my biggest gripe with the flamethrower
If you get caught off guard for even a second as scout by a pyro you are just insta dead unless you perfectly meatshot him twice for max damage at max firerate
Before you could maybe jump over a pyros head and have some outplay factor
now if you get caught next to him you are pretty much guaranteed to die regardless of the pyros skill level

http://logs.tf/1976263#76561198161389905
this class is fucking retarded

How did we start with a few people angry about how pyro doesn't have to aim, head through a pyro rework, and come out with more people angry about how pyro doesn't have to aim

tf2 team pls

le veiled "look at my logs from a total stomp in which it wouldnt matter which class you'd play"

that team beats teams that roll us. if i had been playing my main this game it would have been a clean 5-0 for them.

pyro class needs to be deleted

https://i.imgur.com/7FzrG3O.png

MPUA

Why has no one complained about the annoying little stun thing that makes your crosshair flick upwards when you’re burning. A detonator/flare from across the map can disable a sniper for like 10 seconds. Just the idea of retardedly high damage per sec AND the ability to pressure a sniper from a safe distance than a soldier ever could is pretty frustrating.

I think the stun thing is needed to give pyro a bit of ranged control, but the period is far too long. It afterburns/stuns for like a decade.

It's not gonna happen because the tftv shadow cabinet pulling the strings require us to play against it for false promises of attention, but class limit 0 is the only solution. That quote from Dave Riller is the complete antithesis of Valve's initial design approach for this game and the reason we all nerd the fuck out of it. Pyro should never in a million years be viable most of the time. Neither should Engie, Heavy, Spy (and arguably Sniper but some of you are nutty). The TF2 dev team are clueless and going along with their changes only sends the quality of the game on a downwards spiral imo.

Burn the pyro class ourselves. BURN IT.

those logs are actually insane. I'm sure the story changes in invite, but in open pyro is straight up some of the most reliable, quickly applicable damage youre going to get, especially when you're in places like metalworks lobby or granary 2nd. that is just NUTS.

to be fair, it was not a quote from dave riller. it is what vnn says b4nny said dave riller said.

demoman needs to be removed!

Habib demo limit 0, too much PTSD

Edit: after being destroyed at swelan