clearcut good
propaganda eh

no

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i like both maps from the times i've played them
yes they aren't perfect but process, gully and snake aren't perfect either. no matter if we are talking about the first version or the final valve approved version of those maps

it can be frustrating and confusing for some people playing these maps since we're all so used to playing the same 6ish maps we've been playing for like 4+ years and suddenly we have to learn maps we've never played before by ourselves with no real guide on how to do so, but playing in these maps in pugs or just simply booting up an offline server and running around in them to learn the routes and rooms is fun

also
my (pug/rgl) team being dissapointed that we lost a scrim/pug ≠ "vast majority of players"

clearcut is unironically the worst map i have ever played in any fps game

I like propaganda, and clearcut_b13 hates snipers so that's cool

Team just finished scrims for clearcut and while its chaos its honestly pretty fun.

i have nothing negative to say about clearcut rn

clearcut is 100% fine imo adds another KOTH map which some people find good and some find bad but KOTH is a great game mode and the map feels great for all the classes IMO. propaganda is a iffy for me but i think its a different type of map and layout which feels nice and new. lets keep the maps in and play them more : ) imoimoimoimo

we all said the map blew wtf

I like clearcut a hell of a lot more than viaduct. First KOTH map i actually enjoy playing soldier on.
Fuck propaganda. Most miserable map i have ever played soldier on. Would literally rather play viaduct.

where are you struggling w/ soldier on propaganda on? i've literally never felt more free to be killed as a medic lol

clearcut is actually pretty great, propaganda is okay (better than badlands & granary imo)

the tank shooting the person who caps is cool i guess

The soldier meta on this map boils down to almost nothing but high bombs because there is almost no areas on the entire map where scouts cant see you coming from a mile away and just kite-chip you to death. It's not hard. It's just incredibly aggravating and unfun.

i really like both of the maps :)

i haven't played prop yet but clearcut is fun from the little i've played of it in pugs and DM

i do miss blands tho :(

Stop complaining and maybe accept that a lot of work went into making these maps so maybe you should put in some work to learn the maps.

I know we're all autists whove been playing the same game for 10 years but these maps are legitimately decent. Just because we've nailed down how maps like granary and metalworks play and know how to work around their flaws doesnt make them good. I bet if propaganda had been in tf2 like 2010 or earlier we wouldnt even dream of removing it now

i bet a lot of work went into balancing tf2 so we should probably just put the work in to learn to play with no class restrictions and no whitelist on dustbowl

If this was the pre scout speed medic era propaganda wouldnt be such a shit map. I feel like most of this map's issues relate to the current scout meta making it MISERABLE to play as soldier. We should not be adding scout maps to the pool with a already scout dominant meta.

Clearcut is fine. Way better than all the other KOTH maps at least from my initial impression.

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Jumping#Soldier_jumps

Yeah it fucking sucks to play new maps where people are trying different strats out and you actively have to think to come up with pushes/holds. I'd much rather play maps that have been in the game for 10 years and every game plays out exactly the same with your team trying to send the same few sacs/pushes against the same fully optimized hold that everyone does until something works, that's ideal gameplay right there.

i can’t high bomb through propaganda choke with the air strike anymore so my fun is ruined :/

the map is good tho

clearcut is so bad
literally what do you do as soldier on that map except get shot at by scouts
i would rather play viaduct

out here hating propaganda in the video game but you don't even notice propaganda in real life... makes you think

who said we have to have 9 maps, only reason we had 9 maps was cuz of esea old system and that ended once we started banning maps

I found that soldier is high impact but low kill on this map if that makes any sense? I'm getting fat damage but not so many kills. Very fun to play for me especially compared to viaduct. At least i can actually get in to kill things and the terrain doesn't eat 30% of my rockets. Prioritise syncing with your team and giving your scouts opportunities to frag.

scout bad

please remove all maps that require coordination in favor of blob theory maps

one permits an scout to continue in his role as a corrupter of the earth, the scout's moral suffering will be all the worse. If one focuses the scout, and this stops him from perpetrating his misdeeds, his death will be a blessing to him