If a clip is shown of someone cheating, that is evidence of cheating. If it is a clip that a good Samaritan has found himself, and it is clear that the person in the clip was blatantly cheating, then it shouldn't take longer than a day for the cheater to be banned by RGL. All of the cheaters that I've mentioned have yet to be banned despite having been reported and how well-known it is that they blatantly cheated over half a year ago.

I don't know what part you're having trouble with, yet you're quick with the insults after misconstruing my words. If you were a rational person who didn't understand my words, you would ask for clarification. Instead, you've chosen to discredit me by pretending as if I'm being incoherent and "stupid," despite me being more articulate than you are. I'm not interested in your emotional antics if it will come at the expense of this important thread, but if you are earnest I can elaborate if necessary.

I think anticheat admin should be a paid position, if it's logistically possible. It's too important for it not to be.

Also, this might be messed up to say, but I do think a degree of triage where the higher div complaints get examined first might be worthwhile, because it's a really bad representation for the game as a whole when people get caught cheating at a level where games are casted or discussed frequently on this forum

I submitted the sampha evidence on the 5th or 6th I believe, so it was more like 20 days. I feel like that is a fine period of time for a person to get investigated and banned, especially if they aren't undeniably blatant, but people like cukei or that nc player who was dropping 95 acc every log still being unbanned is kind of ridiculous when it feels like the whole community knows they cheated beyond a reasonable doubt (at least with cukei). It just seems like its needlessly difficult to get cheaters banned, even if it really shouldn't be in many cases. Considering that cheating is pretty much the cardinal sin of any competition, it sets a bad precedent for a competitive league to have people who are widely known to have cheated go unpunished, especially when many people are paying to play in the league.

Would it be possible for different leagues to share anti cheat teams or have cooperating teams. Based on post #57 the RGL AC team also deals with things like scrimming with banned players, so if different leagues have different rules it is useful for the people in the AC team to only be familiar with one set of rules. However the demo review part of the AC work i would guess have the same standard for what is considered cheating in every league. Would having a central intercontinental AC team make education of new members easier? People from one region could help out other regions in their off season when i would guess the number of reports go down, but the AC team deserves a break every now and then aswell.

Not to derail, but I was also really sus of claps for a while, but he stopped playing so it didn't matter. I looked an older demo of his (might be worse at hiding cheats back then) and found a couple interesting things. I don't want to comment on his aim on this STV demo, but I will comment on possible walling.
https://logs.tf/2895918
https://demos.tf/621180

Video 1 - I think claps clearly sees the scout, and doubles back and looks at him through the wall. He then continues to go forward, but still looks back to see him. He shouldn't have been able to see the scout, and it could not have been called because nobody could have had vision of him from where they were looking and standing. Even if one of them saw, it doesn't explain why he looked at the scout through the wall like that.

Video 2 - Claps was fighting long enough on mid that there is no way for him to know the soldier was in valley, I did not show it in the clip, but the soldier came from spawn and hid in valley in the middle of the fight claps was taking. He did not even react until he saw him on his screen walking into 2nd point. Once he notices him, he checks valley in the weirdest possible way. I think it is safe to assume he knew the soldier was there, but it is a total mystery how he could have known. It clearly wasn't known by the rest of the team.

Video 3 - This one is just odd to me, it isn't that he is walling in this clip, it is that he should know that the demo is in cafe, and obviously is around the corner. He puts his crosshair on the wall, which a normal person would do when they are going to shoot someone that is around the corner.
For some reason though, he decides that he shouldn't put his crosshair on the wall that the demo is standing directly behind. He wants to look to the left? I'm not sure what that accomplishes, or what possible reason you would do that. There is no way he was looking for stickies. My possible explanation is that he didn't want to put his crosshair through the wall straight onto the demo.
This clip is largely speculation, and it is not really possible to find out what he was thinking from such an old demo.

I also would really like to know if Claps had an account he was playing on before this current account. That would explain a lot and would be a good defense as to how he could be so good as soon as he started playing.
Lastly, if anyone really wants to try to find something weird with his aim, either he needs to give us POV demos or someone can watch one of his stream vods.

I've complained about him cheating to TF2Center admins before, and one of them mentioned claps' IP address matched drp... Take that with a grain of salt since IP addresses change over time. I don't know if I was being lied to or not but that's what I was told.

If anyone is wondering, drp was also accused of cheating way back in the day.

Frankly, I don't buy this excuse at all. Cheating has been an issue in this league for how long now? How many years has it been a top issue for the players? I have lost count.

You say RGL has only 1 person working the cases? That looks like classic mismanagement of a league. For a "pay to play" league, only having 1 person on staff to ensure player accountability is beyond terrible. League fee money is being spent on the wrong things and obviously the league doesn't care enough to put the funds towards the cheating issue.

Can't blame an understaffed AC team who is putting in free time to police this. Its a league issue and they continue to fail the community but they always succeed in accepting the payments.

Just wanted to comment on the second part, but considering RGL has always been big on its "image" the impact of cheaters especially in playoffs can't be understated. I've had pubbers/people who don't play comp still to this day reference highlander as full of cheaters because of that one season 8 years ago now where the first place sniper in plat/gold/silver all got vac'd, and I think it's gotten to the point where the rumor has spread from "highlander is full of cheaters" to "comp is full of cheaters" in general. Especially a bad look with the whole bot shit going on rn.

Man if safrix is cheating and still the worst player on his team we need a harsher punishment than banned from rgl, perhaps the brazen bull ICANT

too many closet cheaters in gaming nowadays. please keep up being skeptical and reporting on any basis of suspicion; the problem is just going to keep getting worse across basically every game until trusted hardware & DRM-enabled HMDs are enforced/accessible (if ever). even in pubs and mge, i hate having to play stupid psychological warfare games against people that obviously want to sandbag and have close battles when they clearly have no idea what they're doing.

I don't like going off of logs alone because logs can't really tell you all that happens in a game but out damaging elijah on 80 acc should at least put you on a watchlist. Perhaps he was just that much better than a cheater but sharing a roster history with elijah and mxr doesn't help his case either.

in season 5 all of the money brought in amounted to about $36k, and that was with like 40 more teams than we have now. That's like the salary for one full time minimum wage employee but obviously doesn't account for prize money which is the biggest expense. Where do you think RGL has money laying around to pay people to AC admin?

It doesn't have to be a full-time salary or anything. I would be more than willing to decrease prize money so that an AC admin can get like 50 bucks a month or something.

Ye, I'd much rather be paying for a service (RGL running the league) that actually ensures a good quality of life for playing than getting a small return if I make top 5 or something but having to deal with cheaters half the season. It just makes playing so awful and uncertain with regards to what will happen

im just gonna go out on a limb and guess that paying 1 guy $50 a month is not gonna be as effective as, lets say, adding even 1 other person to the AC team. and im also gonna double down on the theory that high profile cases should get priority over newcomer HL demos.

im really with spacecadet here that you cannot look at this situation as anything but mismanagement of the league. sure, i imagine the 1 guy on AC is trying his best with what he's been given, but why hasn't he been given more? like an actual staff?

as an aside, if anyone has more specific information about exactly where the prize pool money is going, ive been really curious since this post was made:

https://imgur.com/s7397mE.png

i just thought it'd be really cool if AC or RGL provided servers were somehow hidden in here idk

I am willing to believe that there are plenty of community members who make good money who are more than willing to commit money to rgl (like they do to plenty of other tf2 community events) if it was necessary and accounted for (myself included). Ive made posts about this before but Arcadia and any other RGL admins have just skirted the issue or refrained from a response.

One of the main reasons I decided that I shouldn't donate to rgl prior, is that they aren't very transparent about anything, and they suffer to make proper decisions and include the community when the expectation is that they are a league run by the community for the community.

I've brought up this example previously but an example would be Fireside casts. A few months ago, Siyo made public a basic income statement, showing where they generated revenue and what their expenses were. Fireside was profitable and even paid out some of their volunteer staff with the leftover income, which was also listed openly

If RGL needs to pay people for an ac team, then it would really help their case if they were just transparent about the costs to the community, and let the community either figure out a way to pay those costs, find a cheaper alternative, or deem it unnecessary rather than just say "we don't have the funds and that's why we keep having a shitshow every season"

I think paying the AC would be TO get more people on the staff. Based on what we know of the AC job, it sounds like it's a tough job and clearly, there aren't many people offering to volunteer. And it's also extremely important. So paying people to do AC would be a win/win

I've had similar questions for the past few seasons regarding RGL's financials because as I said in the previous post, they are not transparent about anything. If they are a not-for-profit company with the tf2 community's best interest in mind, why are they a for-profit business known as Recharge Gaming League LLC and not a nonprofit? I am not under any circumstance saying that Arcadia doesn't deserve to be paid but the primary difference is that as a nonprofit he would pay himself a salary and have to publicly release his financials and show the community where our money goes but as an LLC he doesn't so he can say that all our fees go to those things when they hardly do. Arcadia may just be working the best he can with the limited resources but these issues could be more justified/ alleviated with the right approach and transparency. One of the bonuses of having a game this small is that many of the people who aren't necessarily on rgl staff but are involved with tf2 comp have skills in other industries that they work in everyday that may not be directly related to gaming and could provide insight/ benefit to the community.

to be brief, i don't think this is the right line of thinking. plenty of people apply to RGL AC, its just that very few are ever accepted to due RGLs rightfully rigorous interview process. Offering awful pay is more likely to attract kids than actual professionals. id rather they rethink their AC structure so that Good Samaritan™ eye testers could better help more important/blatant cheating cases reach a higher priority in their queue without needing to resort TFTV threads or without needing to commit dozens of hours to studying the blade of AC to make it onto the team themselves.

Brazen Bull for all cheaters

How is this any different to their current structure where people submit reports using their Good Samaritan™ eye? Especially when there seems to be an assumption that because someone is blatant then someone must have written them up. I've noticed in this thread that submitting tickets seems to be mentioned but that's not their report pipeline. RGL evidently uses compartmentalization. Any divisional admin can see tickets so understandably, they don't want cases to be submitted via that channel.

i was on the AC team for RGL for about a month because i told them i used to cheat in multiple games for fun/griefing videos. i showed them the videos and showed them demonstration videos of how certain functions in cheats work and everything. and then i got banned on rgl and removed from the team for cheating

nothing worse than understanding how these things are used and abused you should have known!