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So let me get this straight, these morons instead of putting valve on blast for doing nothing about the bots while they keep spewing shit like racist, pedophilic, and transphobic remarks in-game while valve turns a blind eye, their main issue seems to be that bots ruin the game experience? LOL
No one outside of the game will give a fuck if there are bots shooting your head faster in an old video game...
But if you say that valve does nothing about transphobic comments and that gets in the news, I'm sure valve execs got to do something about the negative publicity. In fact when the first save tf2 movement came out that was the only reason they did something...
Cmon...

So let me get this straight, these morons instead of putting valve on blast for doing nothing about the bots while they keep spewing shit like racist, pedophilic, and transphobic remarks in-game while valve turns a blind eye, their main issue seems to be that bots ruin the game experience? LOL
No one outside of the game will give a fuck if there are bots shooting your head faster in an old video game...
But if you say that valve does nothing about transphobic comments and that gets in the news, I'm sure valve execs got to do something about the negative publicity. In fact when the first save tf2 movement came out that was the only reason they did something...
Cmon...
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bro who cares

bro who cares
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Teobro who cares

That's the problem. No one cares about the in-game experience...
No one that matters and can actually do anything to fix this shit.
Fucking hell being transphobic is really unpopular nowadays and news sites love to bring this shit up because it brings attention and clicks and that means revenue.
But no, I can't play this ancient video-game because bots are bad.
What a waste.

[quote=Teo]bro who cares[/quote]
That's the problem. No one cares about the in-game experience...
No one that matters and can actually do anything to fix this shit.
Fucking hell being transphobic is really unpopular nowadays and news sites love to bring this shit up because it brings attention and clicks and that means revenue.
But no, I can't play this ancient video-game because bots are bad.
What a waste.
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pubbers have the collective brain capacity of an eel did u really expect them to think about good publicity tactics it takes them 30 seconds to find mid on 5cp maps

pubbers have the collective brain capacity of an eel did u really expect them to think about good publicity tactics it takes them 30 seconds to find mid on 5cp maps
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So let me get this straight: You think it's better to attract people who don't play the game, to care about this issue because it has transphobic bots in it? Yeah I can see this reaching the news:

"17 YEAR OLD GAME FILLED WITH TRANSPHOBIC BOTS CAUSES TRAUMA AND DEPRESSION"

So let me get this straight: You think it's better to attract people who don't play the game, to care about this issue because it has transphobic bots in it? Yeah I can see this reaching the news:

"17 YEAR OLD GAME FILLED WITH TRANSPHOBIC BOTS CAUSES TRAUMA AND DEPRESSION"
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#6
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is it really so shocking that pubbers are upset that they can barely play casual when tftv has a thread every few months over mild inconveniences, obviously people care about what affects them. proudly declaring that you don't actually care about the thing that other people do doesn't make you cool

is it really so shocking that pubbers are upset that they can barely play casual when tftv has a thread every few months over mild inconveniences, obviously people care about what affects them. proudly declaring that you don't actually care about the thing that other people do doesn't make you cool
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idkk I think "game is rendered unplayable for the average person" is a pretty decent pull to draw greater attention to an issue that's plagued the game for years. valve still hosts official servers and presents casual as "the way to play" so it should be operational, don't you think?
like yeah it doesn't affect anyone here but we're like 2% of the playerbase dawg

idkk I think "game is rendered unplayable for the average person" is a pretty decent pull to draw greater attention to an issue that's plagued the game for years. valve still hosts official servers and presents casual as "the way to play" so it should be operational, don't you think?
like yeah it doesn't affect anyone here but we're like 2% of the playerbase dawg
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Wild_Rumpusis it really so shocking that pubbers are upset that they can barely play casual when tftv has a thread every few months over mild inconveniences, obviously people care about what affects them. proudly declaring that you don't actually care about the thing that other people do doesn't make you cool

that its not what I meant at all maybe i didnt explained myself properly
I meant that if they wanted to force valve to actually do something, they shouldve been more vocal on the racist, transphobic and homophobic shit the bots say instead of I cant play a videogame because the bots ruin my experience because they are cheating
im not saying they shouldnt be upset because they cant enjoy the game anymore fuck i quit the game because of that but valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part

[quote=Wild_Rumpus]is it really so shocking that pubbers are upset that they can barely play casual when tftv has a thread every few months over mild inconveniences, obviously people care about what affects them. proudly declaring that you don't actually care about the thing that other people do doesn't make you cool[/quote]

that its not what I meant at all maybe i didnt explained myself properly
I meant that if they wanted to force valve to actually do something, they shouldve been more vocal on the racist, transphobic and homophobic shit the bots say instead of I cant play a videogame because the bots ruin my experience because they are cheating
im not saying they shouldnt be upset because they cant enjoy the game anymore fuck i quit the game because of that but valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part
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can anyone even read this post

can anyone even read this post
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#10
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Surnylike yeah it doesn't affect anyone here but we're like 2% of the playerbase dawg

I'd say it affects us too as in the past few months there have been multiple instances of individuals using bots to mass invite spam players/streamers to freeze their game, forcing official matches to be rescheduled and casts to be recorded offline.

[quote=Surny]
like yeah it doesn't affect anyone here but we're like 2% of the playerbase dawg[/quote]
I'd say it affects us too as in the past few months there have been multiple instances of individuals using bots to mass invite spam players/streamers to freeze their game, forcing official matches to be rescheduled and casts to be recorded offline.
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mousiopethat its not what I meant at all maybe i didnt explained myself properly
I meant that if they wanted to force valve to actually do something, they shouldve been more vocal on the racist, transphobic and homophobic shit the bots say instead of I cant play a videogame because the bots ruin my experience because they are cheating
im not saying they shouldnt be upset because they cant enjoy the game anymore fuck i quit the game because of that but valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part

ok yeah in that case i probably agree

[quote=mousiope]
that its not what I meant at all maybe i didnt explained myself properly
I meant that if they wanted to force valve to actually do something, they shouldve been more vocal on the racist, transphobic and homophobic shit the bots say instead of I cant play a videogame because the bots ruin my experience because they are cheating
im not saying they shouldnt be upset because they cant enjoy the game anymore fuck i quit the game because of that but valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part[/quote]
ok yeah in that case i probably agree
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mousiopebut valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part

It's well known that Valve makes most of its money from the Steam Store, and is also a private comany. This insulates them from a lot of motivation to do anything the public wants. Comparison example: You can be sexist in any CS lobby, but be banned in any Riot game.

Some other strategies might be needed. I watched Uncle Dane's FixTF2 video, which has an appeal to ego (asking Robin Walker if botopia is the legacy he wants to leave), which I think is a nice approach that might not have been explored yet.

Edit: Additionally, I will say that also in the video, it is said that cheating is an industry wide problem. The task of solving the bot crisis is not trivial at all, and it's not completely true to say that Valve has done nothing to try. I think that the sentiment that Valve "just needs to do X" is pretty optimistic. When we ask for the bot crisis to be solved, we are asking for a lot.

[quote=mousiope]but valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part[/quote]

It's well known that Valve makes most of its money from the Steam Store, and is also a private comany. This insulates them from a lot of motivation to do anything the public wants. Comparison example: You can be sexist in any CS lobby, but be banned in any Riot game.

Some other strategies might be needed. I watched Uncle Dane's FixTF2 video, which has an appeal to ego (asking Robin Walker if botopia is the legacy he wants to leave), which I think is a nice approach that might not have been explored yet.

Edit: Additionally, I will say that also in the video, it is said that cheating is an industry wide problem. The task of solving the bot crisis is not trivial at all, and it's not completely true to say that Valve has done nothing to try. I think that the sentiment that Valve "just needs to do X" is pretty optimistic. When we ask for the bot crisis to be solved, we are asking for a lot.
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plummousiopebut valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part
It's well known that Valve makes most of its money from the Steam Store, and is also a private comany. This insulates them from a lot of motivation to do anything the public wants. Comparison example: You can be sexist in any CS lobby, but be banned in any Riot game.

i mean valve makes a shitton of money from microtransactions. they made like one billion from just key sales for CS last year. obviously they make the bulk from the steam store but lootbux isn't a drop in the bucket for them. they just don't give a fuck in general about anything other than their weird doodads they're working on and maintaining constant revenue sources

mousiopeBut if you say that valve does nothing about transphobic comments and that gets in the news, I'm sure valve execs got to do something about the negative publicity. In fact when the first save tf2 movement came out that was the only reason they did something...
Cmon...

i mean i guess, although i don't think it's still going to be that effective. the internal culture at valve doesn't really seem to incentivize actually working on a 17 year old first person shooter with a decently sized playerbase. which is a shame considering i think it's one of the favorite games of like every poster on this forum

[quote=plum][quote=mousiope]but valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part[/quote]

It's well known that Valve makes most of its money from the Steam Store, and is also a private comany. This insulates them from a lot of motivation to do anything the public wants. Comparison example: You can be sexist in any CS lobby, but be banned in any Riot game.

[/quote]

i mean valve makes a shitton of money from microtransactions. they made like one billion from just key sales for CS last year. obviously they make the bulk from the steam store but lootbux isn't a drop in the bucket for them. they just don't give a fuck in general about anything other than their weird doodads they're working on and maintaining constant revenue sources

[quote=mousiope]But if you say that valve does nothing about transphobic comments and that gets in the news, I'm sure valve execs got to do something about the negative publicity. In fact when the first save tf2 movement came out that was the only reason they did something...
Cmon...[/quote]

i mean i guess, although i don't think it's still going to be that effective. the internal culture at valve doesn't really seem to incentivize actually working on a 17 year old first person shooter with a decently sized playerbase. which is a shame considering i think it's one of the favorite games of like every poster on this forum
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sleepysocksplummousiopebut valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part
It's well known that Valve makes most of its money from the Steam Store, and is also a private comany. This insulates them from a lot of motivation to do anything the public wants. Comparison example: You can be sexist in any CS lobby, but be banned in any Riot game.

i mean valve makes a shitton of money from microtransactions. they made like one billion from just key sales for CS last year. obviously they make the bulk from the steam store but lootbux isn't a drop in the bucket for them. they just don't give a fuck in general about anything other than their weird doodads they're working on and maintaining constant revenue sources
mousiopeBut if you say that valve does nothing about transphobic comments and that gets in the news, I'm sure valve execs got to do something about the negative publicity. In fact when the first save tf2 movement came out that was the only reason they did something...
Cmon...

i mean i guess, although i don't think it's still going to be that effective. the internal culture at valve doesn't really seem to incentivize actually working on a 17 year old first person shooter with a decently sized playerbase. which is a shame considering i think it's one of the favorite games of like every poster on this forum

titanfall 2 suffered from a similar issue where the servers kept getting ddos by a bunch of morons to the point where you couldnt find a game through the official client and it got completely fixed and its fully playable nowadays and the game makes a fraction of what tf2 makes
this is pure valve negligence and the fact they need every bit of negative publicity to come their way to even do something regarding this its baffling to me
but its pretty safe to say they clearly dont give a fuck

[quote=sleepysocks][quote=plum][quote=mousiope]but valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part[/quote]

It's well known that Valve makes most of its money from the Steam Store, and is also a private comany. This insulates them from a lot of motivation to do anything the public wants. Comparison example: You can be sexist in any CS lobby, but be banned in any Riot game.

[/quote]

i mean valve makes a shitton of money from microtransactions. they made like one billion from just key sales for CS last year. obviously they make the bulk from the steam store but lootbux isn't a drop in the bucket for them. they just don't give a fuck in general about anything other than their weird doodads they're working on and maintaining constant revenue sources

[quote=mousiope]But if you say that valve does nothing about transphobic comments and that gets in the news, I'm sure valve execs got to do something about the negative publicity. In fact when the first save tf2 movement came out that was the only reason they did something...
Cmon...[/quote]

i mean i guess, although i don't think it's still going to be that effective. the internal culture at valve doesn't really seem to incentivize actually working on a 17 year old first person shooter with a decently sized playerbase. which is a shame considering i think it's one of the favorite games of like every poster on this forum[/quote]

titanfall 2 suffered from a similar issue where the servers kept getting ddos by a bunch of morons to the point where you couldnt find a game through the official client and it got completely fixed and its fully playable nowadays and the game makes a fraction of what tf2 makes
this is pure valve negligence and the fact they need every bit of negative publicity to come their way to even do something regarding this its baffling to me
but its pretty safe to say they clearly dont give a fuck
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masz racje

masz racje
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For some reason you're using the very left-wing tactic of "they're being homophobic online" which makes sense because cancel culture developed online and continues to be purely online, and has gotten a lot of attention. I don't think that more people are gonna pay attention to the "they're spouting transphoia" rather than "the game cannot be played despite the supposedly high player count on Steam"

For some reason you're using the very left-wing tactic of "they're being homophobic online" which makes sense because cancel culture developed online and continues to be purely online, and has gotten a lot of attention. I don't think that more people are gonna pay attention to the "they're spouting transphoia" rather than "the game cannot be played despite the supposedly high player count on Steam"
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#17
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mousiope
titanfall 2 suffered from a similar issue where the servers kept getting ddos by a bunch of morons to the point where you couldnt find a game through the official client and it got completely fixed and its fully playable nowadays and the game makes a fraction of what tf2 makes
this is pure valve negligence and the fact they need every bit of negative publicity to come their way to even do something regarding this its baffling to me
but its pretty safe to say they clearly dont give a fuck

Maybe you missed my point. Here is a list of things valve has done for tf2: https://twitter.com/mastercoms/status/1797908595570577444

If you look closely, there was a DDOS incident they fixed, which is more comparable to the issue you described. This issue is completely different from the problem of aimbots/cheating which the whole industry has not solved yet. Valve is a pioneer in the gaming industry and so maybe it's reasonable to ask more of them, but to say they haven't tried is wrong and putting your head in the sand.

[quote=mousiope]

titanfall 2 suffered from a similar issue where the servers kept getting ddos by a bunch of morons to the point where you couldnt find a game through the official client and it got completely fixed and its fully playable nowadays and the game makes a fraction of what tf2 makes
this is pure valve negligence and the fact they need every bit of negative publicity to come their way to even do something regarding this its baffling to me
but its pretty safe to say they clearly dont give a fuck[/quote]

Maybe you missed my point. Here is a list of things valve has done for tf2: https://twitter.com/mastercoms/status/1797908595570577444

If you look closely, there was a DDOS incident they fixed, which is more comparable to the issue you described. This issue is completely different from the problem of aimbots/cheating which the whole industry has not solved yet. Valve is a pioneer in the gaming industry and so maybe it's reasonable to ask more of them, but to say they haven't tried is wrong and putting your head in the sand.
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Archaeologyyou're using the very left-wing tactic of "they're being homophobic online" which makes sense because cancel culture developed online and continues to be purely online

expand on this i gotta get more insight

[quote=Archaeology]you're using the very left-wing tactic of "they're being homophobic online" which makes sense because cancel culture developed online and continues to be purely online[/quote]
expand on this i gotta get more insight
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#19
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wtf is op even saying am i going insane

wtf is op even saying am i going insane
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#20
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mousiopeWild_Rumpusis it really so shocking that pubbers are upset that they can barely play casual when tftv has a thread every few months over mild inconveniences, obviously people care about what affects them. proudly declaring that you don't actually care about the thing that other people do doesn't make you cool
that its not what I meant at all maybe i didnt explained myself properly
I meant that if they wanted to force valve to actually do something, they shouldve been more vocal on the racist, transphobic and homophobic shit the bots say instead of I cant play a videogame because the bots ruin my experience because they are cheating
im not saying they shouldnt be upset because they cant enjoy the game anymore fuck i quit the game because of that but valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part

I'm pretty sure the first savetf2 movement a while back actually did put some emphasis on the transphobic and racist aspects surrounding the bots which resulted in a couple of media articles about it. Valve's solution was to just mute all f2p accounts and call it a day, a "fix" that the bot hosters promptly figured out how to bypass. So I don't think this angle is the right move, it's been tried and it hasn't worked. And I don't see how it would work any better this time around.

[quote=mousiope][quote=Wild_Rumpus]is it really so shocking that pubbers are upset that they can barely play casual when tftv has a thread every few months over mild inconveniences, obviously people care about what affects them. proudly declaring that you don't actually care about the thing that other people do doesn't make you cool[/quote]

that its not what I meant at all maybe i didnt explained myself properly
I meant that if they wanted to force valve to actually do something, they shouldve been more vocal on the racist, transphobic and homophobic shit the bots say instead of I cant play a videogame because the bots ruin my experience because they are cheating
im not saying they shouldnt be upset because they cant enjoy the game anymore fuck i quit the game because of that but valve letting racism remarks slide in their games it would bring a far more negative publicity and force them no fix the game since we all know they dont give a fuck about the cheating part[/quote]

I'm pretty sure the first savetf2 movement a while back actually did put some emphasis on the transphobic and racist aspects surrounding the bots which resulted in a couple of media articles about it. Valve's solution was to just mute all f2p accounts and call it a day, a "fix" that the bot hosters promptly figured out how to bypass. So I don't think this angle is the right move, it's been tried and it hasn't worked. And I don't see how it would work any better this time around.
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question.

why not just play uncletopia?

question.

why not just play uncletopia?
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hYm3nSl4yrquestion.

why not just play uncletopia?

yeah bro if all pubbers went to uncletopia there for sure would be enough slots

[quote=hYm3nSl4yr]question.

why not just play uncletopia?[/quote]
yeah bro if all pubbers went to uncletopia there for sure would be enough slots
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hYm3nSl4yrquestion.

why not just play uncletopia?

Too little servers. It's either 23/24 or completely full unless u donate - or it's barren on the one thousand uncles servers.
If other community servers advertised somehow, it could gain more popularity but people cba

[quote=hYm3nSl4yr]question.

why not just play uncletopia?[/quote]

Too little servers. It's either 23/24 or completely full unless u donate - or it's barren on the one thousand uncles servers.
If other community servers advertised somehow, it could gain more popularity but people cba
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#24
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uncletopia servers feel like shit

uncletopia servers feel like shit
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#25
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RahmedhYm3nSl4yrquestion.

why not just play uncletopia?

Too little servers. It's either 23/24 or completely full unless u donate - or it's barren on the one thousand uncles servers.
If other community servers advertised somehow, it could gain more popularity but people cba

How does this make sense? If there are a load of empty servers how can there not be enough?

[quote=Rahmed][quote=hYm3nSl4yr]question.

why not just play uncletopia?[/quote]

Too little servers. It's either 23/24 or completely full unless u donate - or it's barren on the one thousand uncles servers.
If other community servers advertised somehow, it could gain more popularity but people cba[/quote]

How does this make sense? If there are a load of empty servers how can there not be enough?
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#26
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i dont want to play uncletopia because they upload diarrhea community maps i dont like or want to play
the vibes are also just off on uncletopia. i just want to play casual mode again, queue for the only maps i wanna play, and run up a killstreak before the match ends

i dont want to play uncletopia because they upload diarrhea community maps i dont like or want to play
the vibes are also just off on uncletopia. i just want to play casual mode again, queue for the only maps i wanna play, and run up a killstreak before the match ends
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#27
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i never play pubs but surely switching servers isn't that big of a deal every now and then
and you don't have to deal with random crits or whatever

how could you want to play on valve casual over uncletopia?

i never play pubs but surely switching servers isn't that big of a deal every now and then
and you don't have to deal with random crits or whatever

how could you want to play on valve casual over uncletopia?
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#28
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Players on uncletopia play like their life depends on it 24/7. Hate it

Players on uncletopia play like their life depends on it 24/7. Hate it
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#29
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hYm3nSl4yri never play pubs but surely switching servers isn't that big of a deal every now and then
and you don't have to deal with random crits or whatever

how could you want to play on valve casual over uncletopia?

besides what seinfeld and sweden said, it doesn’t have the same pub feeling, while having the 3 class limit and no random crits do help in making everything feel more balanced, it honestly just takes away the fun that I would have in a regular pub, also I just want to play the class I want :/.

[quote=hYm3nSl4yr]i never play pubs but surely switching servers isn't that big of a deal every now and then
and you don't have to deal with random crits or whatever

how could you want to play on valve casual over uncletopia?[/quote]

besides what seinfeld and sweden said, it doesn’t have the same pub feeling, while having the 3 class limit and no random crits do help in making everything feel more balanced, it honestly just takes away the fun that I would have in a regular pub, also I just want to play the class I want :/.
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#30
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i've been pubbing a lot lately through uncletopia and overall i've had a great experience. As long as you're not looking to play on a specific map with 15 ping you really shouldn't have a problem finding a slot on a reasonably full server somewhere in north america. Its the closest thing to playing on a community server back in 2010 so as a boomer I really appreciate uncletopia's existence.

i've been pubbing a lot lately through uncletopia and overall i've had a great experience. As long as you're not looking to play on a specific map with 15 ping you really shouldn't have a problem finding a slot on a reasonably full server somewhere in north america. Its the closest thing to playing on a community server back in 2010 so as a boomer I really appreciate uncletopia's existence.
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